Notes re: interview with Wladyslaw Krasuski
FBI Detroit field office file cover sheet and evidence envelope containing notes regarding an interview with Wladyslaw Krasuski, received 11/7/57.
When Wladyslaw Krasuski heard a 1957 radio report about a mysterious rocket in Texas that stalled vehicle engines, he recognized something. He'd seen it before -- in 1944, as a POW near Berlin. He wrote to President Eisenhower's office. The FBI's response was a priority telegram: interview him immediately. Krasuski described a circular vehicle 75-100 yards across and 14 feet high, hidden behind a 50-foot tarpaulin wall guarded by the SS at Gut Alt Golssen, 30 miles east of Berlin. Its middle section spun rapidly with a buzzing sound. Heavy copper cables connected the enclosure to a concrete structure. When it lifted off vertically, clearing the wall and departing horizontally, tractor engines nearby stalled -- the same electromagnetic effect as the Texas incident. A work crew of 16-18 Russian, French, and Polish POWs witnessed it. When Krasuski returned after the war, everything was gone and the site was underwater. The FBI found no signs of mental instability. A co-worker who could corroborate was presumed back in Poland.
- Krasuski observed a circular vehicle 75-100 yards in diameter, approximately 14 feet high, in 1944 near Berlin
- Vehicle had dark gray stationary top and bottom sections (5-6 feet high) with a rapidly spinning 3-foot middle section
- The middle section produced a "continuous burr similar to an aeroplane propeller" extending around the circumference
- Vehicle rose vertically to clear a 50-foot tarpaulin wall, then moved horizontally out of view
- Operation produced "high-pitched whine similar to that produced by a large electric generator"
- Tractor engines stalled during vehicle operation — same electromagnetic effect as the Texas incident that prompted Krasuski's letter
- Uninsulated copper cables (1.5-2 inches diameter) connected the enclosure to a concrete structure
- Area protected by SS guards and a 50-foot tarpaulin enclosure approximately 100-150 yards in diameter
- Work crew of 16-18 Russian, French, and Polish POWs witnessed the phenomena
- Post-war visit showed all equipment removed and site covered by water
- FBI found no indication of mental instability; background check revealed stable employment and family life
- Co-worker Franciszek Grabowski (approximately 50 years old) could corroborate but was presumed returned to Poland
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View PDF ↗- 2007-05-24 | declassification guide issuance date
- 2025-11-13 | FOIPA screening date shown in header
- U.S. Department of Justice | federal agency
- FBI | Federal Bureau of Investigation
- Bureau of Investigation | FBI division
- DocId: 34714592 | document identifier
- NW90290 | document number
- File Series: DE-REPORT | FBI file classification
- Class Case #: 100-DE-26505 | case number
- Serial #: Vol. 1 | volume number
- FOIPA | Freedom of Information and Privacy Act
- FD-245 (REV. 1-21-80) | form type
- Document marked "COPIED FOR FOIPA"
- Document marked "Closed Section"
- Marked "MUST NOT BE REMOVED FROM OR ADDED TO THIS FILE"
- Contains archival processing codes and microfilm reference numbers
- Screened by NARA (National Archives and Records Administration)
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View PDF ↗- Interview notes regarding Wladyslaw Krasuski
- Information contained on envelope, marked in handwriting
- FBI-DETROIT field office notation
- Page is primarily blank with minimal content
- Handwritten notation at bottom indicates "ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED on this envelope" with date marked
- Document reference: 144-26505-11 (partial, illegible)
- FBI-DETROIT office stamp visible
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-07 | date received (handwritten as 11/7/57)
- 1957-06-22 | document date marked in handwriting
- (illegible) | special agent signature date
- Wladyslaw Krasuski | interview subject
- Special Agent [name partially illegible in handwriting] | conducting agent
- File No. 100-26505-1A | case file classification
- ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED on envelope | content notation
- Description: "Notes re: interview in WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI" | document description
- Interview information contained on this envelope per handwritten notation
- Marked "To Be Returned Yes ( ) / No (X)"
- Contributor name and address fields appear blank or illegible
- FBI processing and routing forms with handwritten annotations
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-07 | date marked (11/7/57)
- 1957-06-22 | date marked in handwriting
- Series of hand-drawn sketches depicting object observations:
- * Large circular disc-like objects with concentric rings
- * Object marked with label "100' 1 50' wide" - appears to be 100 feet by 50 feet dimensions
- * Sketch labeled "Berlin" (illegible handwriting)
- * Circular target-like object with crosshairs
- * Small elongated craft-like shapes with propeller or antenna
- * Object marked "55 Major Solstien" (possibly reference to location or observer)
- * Annotations showing "44 45" (possibly dates or times - April/May 1945)
- * Cylindrical or propeller-shaped objects with multiple projections
- * Sketch with directional arrows and "S" marking
- * Multiple views of objects with different perspectives
- Notes indicate objects seen in 1944 and 1945
- Text indicates "called/seen in 44" and "gods in 45"
- Interview contains detailed eyewitness descriptions documented through sketches
- Drawings appear to represent objects observed during WWII era
- WA 27516 | case or file reference
- 5457 GoCompany (illegible) | unit or location reference
- Major Solstien | possibly military observer or official
- Berlin | location reference
- 1944-1945 | time period of observations
- All information contained herein is unclassified per handwritten notation
- Handwritten annotations throughout with arrows and labels
- Multiple sketch viewpoints of single object or multiple object types
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View PDF ↗- 100-26505 | file case number
- Interview with Wladyslaw Krasuski document
- Page is mostly blank with faint circular marks and stamps
- Header and footer contain minimal text
- Handwritten notation at bottom: "Interview w/ WLADYSLAW KRASUSKI 11/7/57, 100-26505"
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View PDF ↗- Page is mostly blank with ruled lines
- Single handwritten name appears to be related to interview or subject matter
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View PDF ↗- Wladyslaw Krasuski | subject/record request subject
- Walter | alias listed a.k.a. Walter
- 1452 Go Company | residence address (handwritten, partially legible)
- Grape Road Brewery | business address (handwritten, partially legible)
- File number 100-26505 | case/file classification
- Form FD-125 (5-27-55) | record request form
- Return to: Rainburn (handwritten)
- Form designed to request criminal record check
- Checkbox marked for "Criminal" record request type
- Race marked as "W" (White)
- Sex field left blank (illegible)
- Birth date, birthplace, age, height, weight, hair color, and eyes fields blank or illegible
- Arrest Number and Fingerprint Classification fields blank
- Criminal Specialty field blank
- Specific information desired: "any and all" (handwritten)
- Note indicates to see reverse side for results of check
- Multiple handwritten annotations on form
- FOIA(b)(6) redaction marking visible
- Some personal identifiers appear redacted or illegible per FOIA requirements
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-06 | urgent telegram date and time (11-6-57 5-40 PM)
- 1957-11-04 | letter date (November Fourth)
- W. Kiasuski (also listed as W. Krasuski in other documents) | subject, address: 2547 Campau, Detroit Eleven Michigan
- Robert Cutler | Special Assistant to the President | recipient of letter
- Mr. W. Ski | alternative name reference
- FBI | Federal Bureau of Investigation
- FBI Director | originating office
- SAC, Detroit | destination office (Special Agent in Charge)
- The President | executive branch reference
- Subject Kiasuski addressed letter dated November 4, 1957 to Robert Cutler
- Letter states: "I MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROCKET IN TEXAS. I HEARD ABOUT IT ON THE POLISH RADIO PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TO WHOM I COULD SPEAK TO."
- No prior FBI files contain information on Kiasuski per bureau records
- Telegram marked URGENT classification
- Instructions to immediately interview Kiasuski for any information he may have
- Bureau files reflect no prior information regarding Kiasuski
- Acknowledgement requested (END ACK PLS)
- UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS, IS-X | subject classification
- "THE ROCKET IN TEXAS" | subject matter of letter
- Polish Radio Program | source of information referenced
- Special Assistant to the President | office addressed
- Classified correspondence handling marked "1P" (1 priority)
- Handwritten annotations and routing stamps visible
- Filed 6 November 1957 per routing stamp
- "OK FBI DE JH" approval notation
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-07 | Detroit report date and interview date
- 1951-05-02 | arrival date in United States
- 1942-05 | arrival date in Germany at Gut Alt Golssen
- 1944 | date of mysterious vehicle sighting
- Wladyslaw Krasuski | also known as Krasuski | address: 2-4557 Joseph Campau, Detroit | interviewed subject
- Robert Cutler | Special Assistant to President Dwight D. Eisenhower | letter addressee
- Gut Alt Golssen | location/camp name (possibly refers to displaced persons camp)
- Reverend Father Petro Walkowitz | religious contact, Hamtramck, Michigan
- Dwight D. Eisenhower | President reference
- Gobel Brewery, Detroit | employer since May 1951
- Displaced Persons Camps | Kork, Strasburg, Offenburg, Milheim, Freiburg, Germany
- S.S. General Stewart | ship name for arrival
- United States Government | agency referenced
- Poland | place of birth
- Gut Alt Golssen | approximately 30 miles east of Berlin, Germany (May 1942)
- Kork | Displaced Persons Camp
- Strasburg | Displaced Persons Camp
- Offenburg | Displaced Persons Camp
- Milheim | Displaced Persons Camp
- Freiburg | Displaced Persons Camp
- New York | United States arrival port
- Detroit | current residence
- Texas | location of mysterious vehicle sighting
- Hamtramck, Michigan | religious contact location
- Krasuski brought to Poland as prisoner of war during WWII
- Spent following years at Displaced Persons Camps in Germany
- Attended radio technician school at Freiburg
- Employed in textile mill at Laurachbaden, Germany
- Arrived in United States at New York, May 2, 1951 via S.S. General Stewart
- Employed at Gobel Brewery, Detroit since May 1951
- News report of mysterious vehicle in Texas causing engines to stall prompted him to contact government
- During 1944, month not recalled, en route to work in field at short distance north of Gut Alt Golssen, their tractor engine stalled on road through swamp area
- No machinery or other vehicle was then visible
- Noise was heard, described as "a high-pitched whine similar to that produced by a large electric generator"
- Letter to Robert Cutler | original communication
- Case 100-26505 | Detroit file number
- 144-26505-2 | document reference
- Polish radio program | source of Texas information
- Alien registration number | redacted
- Alien registration number | FOIA(b)(6)
- Birth location details | FOIA(b)(6)
- "might have some information about the rocket in Texas" | Krasuski's letter reference
- "a high-pitched whine similar to that produced by a large electric generator" | description of sound observed in 1944
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View PDF ↗- 1944 | incident date
- 1945 | end of World War II and last visit to area
- Krasuski | observer/witness
- German driver | tractor driver, waited 5-10 minutes during first incident
- SS guards | present in area
- Franciszek Grabowski | co-worker, recalled by name, approximately 50 years old at time, presumed returned to Poland after 1945
- Work crew | 16-18 men consisting of Russian, French, and Polish POWs
- German command | in charge of work crew
- SS (Schutzstaffel) | guards present
- Gut Alt Golssen | Germany, location of incident
- Swamp area | location of tractor stalling
- Poland | presumed location of Grabowski post-1945
- Approximately 3 hours after tractor engine stalled, in same swamp area but away from road, observed circular enclosure approximately 100 to 150 yards in diameter, protected from viewers by tarpaulin-type wall approximately 50 feet high
- Vehicle observed to slowly rise vertically to height sufficient to clear wall, then move slowly horizontally a short distance out of view, obstructed by nearby trees
- Vehicle observed from approximately 500 feet away
- Described as circular in shape, 75 to 100 yards in diameter, and about 14 feet high
- Consisting of dark gray stationary top and bottom sections, five to six feet high
- Approximate three foot middle section appeared to be rapidly moving component producing continuous burr similar to aeropla propeller, but extending the circumference of vehicle so far as could be observed
- Noise emanating from vehicle was similar but somewhat lower pitch than noise previously heard from initial tractor stalling incident
- Engine of tractor again stalled on this occasion; no effort made by German driver to start engine until noise stopped, after which engine started normally
- Uninsulated metal, possibly copper, cables one and one-half inch to two inches in diameter observed on and under ground surface, in some places covered by water
- Cables appeared to run between the enclosure and a small concrete column-like structure between the road and enclosure
- Area not revisited until shortly after end of WWII, when it was observed cables had been removed and previous locations of concrete structure and enclosure were covered by water
- Krasuski had not been in communication since 1945 with work crew members, though they discussed incident among themselves many times
- Vehicle demonstrated vertical rise capability and horizontal movement
- Vehicle had two distinct sighting/observation occasions
- Electrical/mechanical mechanism of unknown origin produced sound effects and electromagnetic effects (engine stalling)
- Structure was temporary/mobile, removed by end of war
- Gut Alt Golssen | location reference
- World War II | temporal reference
- Tractor engine stalling | repeated technical effect
- Concrete structure | ground installation reference
- Cables | infrastructure element
- Report page marked "-2-" indicating continuation
- Detailed physical measurements provided
- Multiple observations separated by approximately 3 hours
- Post-war verification conducted showing removal of all evidence
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View PDF ↗- Page marked "-3-" indicating continuation/end of report
- Standard FBI confidentiality and distribution restriction notice
- Minimal content page with administrative notice only
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-07 | interview date and memo date
- 1952 | marriage date
- 1956-1957 | credit inquiry period
- 1956-06, 1957-03, 1957-06 | specific credit inquiry dates
- Wladyslaw Krasuski | a.k.a. Walter Krasuski | interview subject, residence: 5457 Jos. Campau Avenue, Detroit
- Robert Cutler | Special Assistant to President Eisenhower | recipient of letter
- Dwight D. Eisenhower | President reference
- SA Cassius Rathbun | interviewing agent
- Joann Wisniewski (maiden name) | Krasuski's wife, married 1952 at Detroit
- Four small children | Krasuski's children
- William Recknagel | Manager | Michigan Merchants Credit Association
- Paul Desmond | investigator/contact
- ICR Paul Desmond | investigator
- FBI | Federal Bureau of Investigation
- Michigan Merchants Credit Association | credit reporting agency
- Gobel Brewery | Krasuski's employer (referenced in prior documents)
- Detroit | current residence location
- 5457 Jos. Campau Avenue, Detroit | home address
- Old Polish neighborhood | residential area description
- Michigan | state location
- No indication of irrational or otherwise abnormal behavior by Krasuski observed during interview
- Krasuski directed communication to Robert Cutler after seeing Cutler's picture and identification with President's Office in local paper
- Krasuski resides with wife and four small children in single residence in old Polish neighborhood
- No previous record in Detroit indices identifiable with Krasuski or his wife
- Michigan Merchants Credit Association records reflect credit inquiries concerning Walter Krasuski during 6/56, 3/57, and 6/57 confirming local address and employment
- Krasuski's behavior was rational and normal during interview
- Background check found no derogatory records
- Credit history confirms stability and local residence
- Case 100-26505 | file number
- UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS; IS-X | subject classification
- Blank Memo | interview report form
- 100-26505-3 | document reference number
- AIAEL | classification marking (possibly meaning "All Information at Enclosure Level")
- AMSD-RM | routing designation
- Interview conducted by SA Cassius Rathbun
- Five copies of interview report prepared for Bureau
- "Blank Memo" format used for interview documentation
- File marked for Bureau enclosure with 5 copies
- Detroit office filing code CR:JLK
- Document shows filing, indexing, and serialization stamps
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View PDF ↗- 1957-11-07 | teletype date
- 1942 | May (POW arrival as German prisoner)
- 1945 | Summer (referenced as "nineteen forty five")
- 1944 | month not recalled (observation date)
- Wladyslaw Krasuski | a.k.a. Walter Krasuski | interview subject/POW
- Special Agent in Charge | approving authority (signature redacted)
- FBI | Federal Bureau of Investigation
- Director, FBI | routing destination
- SAC, Detroit | originating office
- Krasuski was German POW from May 1942 (arrival date) until Summer 1945
- While German POW during 1944, observed a vehicle described as circular in shape, seventy-five to one hundred yards in diameter, approximately fourteen feet high
- Vehicle was observed to slowly rise vertically to heights sufficient to clear fifty foot wall and to move slowly horizontally a short distance out of view obstructed by trees
- Engine of tractor failed to operate during this period
- One or several other occasions when high pitched whining noise heard in area
- No indication of mental instability during interview
- Rebuttal to prior report designated "NOV. SIX LAST"
- No mental instability indicators
- Further details follow AMSD
- Case 100-26505 | file number
- FD-36 (Rev. 3-13-56) | teletype form
- FOIAOIA(b)(6) | redaction authority
- Document 144-26505-4 | reference number
- "OBSERVED A VEHICLE DESCRIBED AS CIRCULAR IN SHAPE, SEVENTY FIVE TO ONE HUNDRED YARDS IN DIAMETER, APPROXIMATELY FOURTEEN FEET HIGH. THE VEHICLE WAS OBSERVED TO SLOWLY RISE VERTICALLY TO HEIGHTS SUFFICIENT TO CLEAR FIFTY FOOT WALL AND TO MOVE SLOWLY HORIZONTALLY A SHORT DISTANCE OUT OF VIEW OBSTRUCTED BY TREES." | observation summary
- "ENGINE OF TRACTOR FAILED TO OPERATE DURING THIS PERIOD AND ONE SEVERAL OTHER OCCASIONS WHEN HIGH PITCHED WHINING NOISE HEARD IN AREA." | mechanical effects
- "NO INDICATION OF MENTAL INSTABILITY DURING INTERVIEW." | assessment
- Transmitted via TELETYPE
- Marked URGENT priority
- Approved and sent by Special Agent in Charge
- Filed as teletype "WS" per routing notation WLS:JLK
- Case reference DE 100-26505
- Contains redacted personal information (FOIAOIA(b)(6))
- Handwritten approval and transmission notations
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View PDF ↗- 1966-10-02 | letter date
- 1966 | spring (time period referenced for sightings)
- Kerry Liesch | Director | O.U.F.O.R.A. | address: 3539 N.W. 53rd, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
- Bob Stamps | Co-Director | O.U.F.O.R.A. | address: 5024 N.W. 20th, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
- The Oklahoma UFO Research Association | O.U.F.O.R.A. | requesting organization
- FBI Detroit Office | 913 Federal Building | recipient organization
- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma | organization headquarters
- Detroit, Michigan | area of sighting interest
- 3539 N.W. 53rd, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma | Liesch address
- 5024 N.W. 20th, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma | Stamps address
- Case 100-26505-5 | file reference number
- O.U.F.O.R.A. | organization acronym
- FBI-DETROIT | receiving office stamp dated October 7, 1966
- "My organization would appreciate any information that you could send us on Unidentified Flying Objects, specifically those sightings in your area in early spring of this year." | Kerry Liesch request
- "We will greatly appreciate any information that you could send us on this subject. I thank you for your time, and co-operation." | Liesch closing
- Letter typed on organization letterhead
- Document received and processed October 7, 1966 by FBI-Detroit
- File marked with case reference number 5-140-26505-5
- Marked "INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED"
- Received stamp showing FBI processing date OCT 7 1966
- Contains searched, serialized, indexed, and filed stamps
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View PDF ↗- 1966-10-11 | response letter date
- 1966-10-02 | date of original inquiry letter
- Kerry Liesch | Director | The Oklahoma UFO Research Association | letter recipient
- Paul H. Stoddard | Special Agent in Charge | FBI Detroit | letter sender
- FBI Detroit Office | Post Office Box 2118, Detroit, Michigan 48231 | sending organization
- The Oklahoma UFO Research Association | 3539 N.W. 53rd, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma | receiving organization
- United States Air Force | Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio | referred agency
- Wright-Patterson Air Force Base | proper agency reference
- Post Office Box 2118 | FBI Detroit mailing address
- Detroit, Michigan 48231 | FBI office location
- 3539 N.W. 53rd | Oklahoma City, Oklahoma | O.U.F.O.R.A. address
- Dayton, Ohio | Wright-Patterson Air Force Base location
- FBI Detroit office does not have requested information about UFO sightings
- Responding to October 2, 1966 inquiry letter
- Proper agency for UFO information inquiries is US Air Force Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
- FBI Detroit lacks UFO sighting data
- Case 100-26505 | file number
- Document 100-26505-6 | reference number
- Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio | referred resource
- "This is to acknowledge your letter of October 2, 1966." | opening statement
- "Please be advised that this office does not have the information you have requested. It is possible that the United States Air Force, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio, may be the proper agency to contact." | body statement
- Letter on FBI official letterhead with Post Office Box address
- Signed by Paul H. Stoddard as Special Agent in Charge
- Processing stamps show: searched, serialized, indexed, filed
- Document marked with case reference 100-26505-6
- File routing notation: 1-Addressee, (1)-Detroit (100-26505), IRA:frq, (3)
- Marked "ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED"